Showing posts with label Elevations. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Elevations. Show all posts

Thursday, December 18, 2014

Creating Elevation Views and Finish Floors

If you use the finish floor approach to create individual floors for rooms they manage to confuse the Elevation tool. If you create an elevation view inside a room you will likely find that the view's crop boundary is very short.

These are two interior elevations I made. The crop region for the one on the left is good but it's floor is flush with the sub-floor (and level). The crop region for the view on the right is bad, too short because the finish floor is set so that it sits on top of the sub-floor. Quirky quirky.


Raff, a member at RFO, started a thread the other day and it reminded me that I'd created the video below, embedded here.



The video is based on Revit 2015 R2 and Update Release 5 installed.

Monday, March 12, 2012

Revit Level Elevations Project and Shared

Revit levels can show a project elevation or a shared elevation. The project elevation is the possibly arbitrary height of the levels relative to zero elevation, like in the stock templates. If you change the elevation of the project via Relocate Project (sleight of hand) or via Shared Coordinates (actual change) you can alter the levels to show one or the other. Via email I got a question that I've been asked before, "I want to show both on the level, both project and shared. Is it possible?"

The first off the cuff answer is nope. The elevation base parameter is a Type Parameter and the labels used in the  assigned annotation symbol family responds to the level, not the other way around. So while I could show alternate units in the same level annotation I can't show alternate elevation base settings. Time for workarounds?

My normal suggestion is to place spot elevations that use reduced graphic options so they just show a value. Place them on the levels in the views you need them in...set and forget. Hopefully it's in the later stages of documentation?

Another possibility is to use a linked project that has its own levels that show the Shared elevation instead. It's tricky though because it may be difficult to get the annotation to sit still, stay in the same correct locations in all views...according to scale and orientation.

If levels could be assigned to Design Options it would be another way to approach it...no joy there.

You could create new level types for each level and use either text in the annotation family (separate multiple families) or assign a prefix/suffix to the label and literally type in the shared elevation values. Yuk...double yuk...but it would give you the result most people want to "see". Need to double/triple check that before every print cycle though.

Along the same lines of yuk, double yuk would be text placed in views directly, possibly as detail groups to manage the data entry.

Anything I'm forgetting??

It would be so simple if it were possible to assign the elevation base setting at the label formatting side of the equation. So close yet so far sometimes.

Wednesday, January 04, 2012

Elevation Update Update

A comment showed up on my earlier post regarding elevation tags that don't update in stand-alone project files, which reminded me that I never posted this information though I intended to do so.

Steve Faust with Revolution Design let me know back then that the Elevation Fix utility they created is kind of a follow up to your blog post showing the problem. It was developed primarily by Nick Kovach who posted the ‘problem solved’ comment. You can find out more about their solution as well as downloaded at their SITE.


These are the previous three posts (October 2011):
Revit OpEd: Elevation Update Update
Revit OpEd: Elevation Update Update Updated
Revit OpEd: Elevation Tag Update Not Happening

Monday, October 17, 2011

Elevation Update Update Updated

Part three of the trilogy... (following up these other posts)

Steve Faust and Nick Kovach of Revolution Design are sharing a free fix for the elevation update issue.


This only affects projects that don't use Worksharing. If that's you then check out their solution until Autodesk delivers a patch or update to resolve it. While you are there you might as well check out their Keynote Manager and Selection Master apps, might find them useful!?

Tuesday, October 11, 2011

Elevation Tag Update Not Happening

Uh oh Spagetti O's... with the recent update I've noticed that the elevation annotation tags do not update when the their detail number values are changed. I don't recall this happening before the update but it's definitely going wrong now.


I find it necessary to change the annotation type to another or alter a setting in the family before Revit will "wake up" and change the tag to the new value. Boohoo...

Here's a quick VIDEO to demo the issue.


Thursday, October 07, 2010

Dept. of Subtle - Elevations

I chose the Dept. of Subtle for this because what pleases one person may be unsatisfactory to another, thus subtle. I got an email asking for some assistance with improving elevation views. After sending off a quick reply with a list of choices I thought I'd put it here too. I often respond to a question, then later think I wrote a post here only to realize that it was just a private reply. Quite frustrating when I search my own blog for a subject I'm positive I wrote "something" about.

For elevations there isn't an easy button. At least not an automatic nice elevation button. You get a view easily, no problem. The elusive quality of nice is a bit harder to automate.

Here is the list:
  • Object Styles - Global changes that affect all views but checking them may reveal that certain categories are not set to ideal lineweights. Adjustments should start here.
  • Visibility/Graphics Overrides - Where Object Styles fall short this option give you the abililty to make local (view specific) changes to improve the appearance of element on a category by category basis.
  • Filters - These permit further customization based on category and/or parameter settings to alter the line weight, color and patterns for elements. They are applied by view so they only affect the views you need to improve.
  • Silhouette Edges - Part of the Graphic Display settings you can force edges of walls and openings to take on a heavier line weight. This is usually a bit too much like a "shotgun" fix which will require some use of the Linework tool to offset the "massive" alteration of a view.
  • Element Overrides - Right Click option when you select an element or elements. This will give you the ability to alter the appearance of elements further back in elevation or to even hide certain items that are confusing to see in the view.
  • Linework Tool - This tool is meant to override the appearance of a single element at a time. It is focused on Line Style so you can increase the line weight or pattern by choosing a specific line style to show instead of the current appearance of the element. It is not adding new lines, it is simply changing how the line of an element is displayed. For this reason it is a better choice than using detail lines to enhance the view.
  • Drafting - If you can draft in AutoCAD to improve the appearance you can do the same thing in Revit. Just use detail lines and sketch over the model in the view. These lines will only show up in the view you add them to but you won't have to export to cad etc... Last resort ideally.
  • Regions - These can be used to impose patterns and color, even masking to help improve the appearance of a view. For example, a heavy "base" pattern for the "site" ground plan can be achieved by sketching a solid filled region whose color is black. This can be used instead of the fill pattern for the site toposurface (turn it off in V/G). You can also experiment with the Object Styles and V/G settings for toposurface but often an elevation looks better with a simpler approach.
  • Color Fill - These can be used in sections to show rooms with color or patterns if desired. Won't work in elevations though because the rooms needs to be "cut" for the color show.
  • Materials - For example for curtain wall panels you can customize the materials to show different panel styles more clearly. You just need to new material and panel type for each kind of panel. Same logic applies to other elements.
  • Detail Level - Remember too much detail in an elevation view can hurt print/plotting performance so use V/G to set certain categories to show the appropriate Detail Level if coarse isn't quite detailed enough.
To manage some of these remember View Templates, they'll make the repetitious application of some of these tools much more pleasant!

Any comments? Additions?

Thursday, August 12, 2010

Level Annotation - Elevation Units

Here's a quick video showing how to change the units of a Level annotation for elevation.


No time for a video, want to dash in and try to do it? Take these steps (added per Rusty's comment):
  1. Select the Level
  2. Examine it's Type Properties
  3. Find the Symbol Family it is assigned to
  4. Close the Type Dialog(s)
  5. Scroll to the Families category in the Project Browser
  6. Select the family the Level is using under the Annotation Symbols category
  7. Right Click > Edit
  8. Select the Elevation label, click Edit Label
  9. Select the Elevation parameter in the list
  10. Click the Format button, Un-Check Project Units
  11. Choose another setting
  12. Save the family and load it into your project
You should save this family as a new type in your office standards folder.

Thursday, May 13, 2010

Dept. of Subtle - Properties Palette and Elevation

Placing components at specific elevations has been tedious for quite some time because instead of providing a way to set an elevation/offset value first we have had to place first and fix the elevation second. For example an air terminals that are not hosted or face based end up on the floor. Equipment families end up on the floor too.

With the introduction of the modeless (techy one word for "it can always be open") Properties Palette we can see the elevation value and set it first! A video is more fun? Embedded below:


Thursday, April 01, 2010

Dept. of Subtle - MEP Pipe Elevations

Here's a quick one. Ever select a pipe and find different elevation offset values at either end? Odd eh?

The culprit is different Level association at the fittings. Check the fittings at either end or along a connected run of pipe and you'll find a mismatch. Revit is just trying to keep the elevation the same even though the fitting elevation setting varies between them. Not too hard to fix but definitely going to confuse some new users. Want to see what I'm referring to? Watch the Video or the video, or listen and watch below.


Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Equipment Elevations

Revit MEP focus again - Trying to determine what the correct elevation for equipment can be awkward when each connector is at different elevations. Sometimes a VAV, (variable air volume) or AHU, (air handling unit)or RTU (roof top unit) has connectors at really convenient (meaning really inconvenient) elevations that don't seem to relate well (or at all) to the nice clean elevations, like 9'-0" or 10'-6", that you've chosen for your duct or pipe runs.

By the way, I added the words for the acronyms for my mother. I know my typical readers know what they mean but she reads this blog too sometimes and its bad enough that most everything is gibberish anyway but I have to use acronyms too?!?

What I do is sketch a short piece of duct/pipe from a connector on the equipment so that I can cheat and use the offset parameter of the duct/pipe to raise the equipment to the correct elevation that I need (Video?).