tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9240097.post8353837367651404936..comments2024-03-26T21:47:32.774-07:00Comments on Revit OpEd: Autodesk University 2006 - Class Survey ResultsStevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14230364057800484763noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9240097.post-35681923308041401392007-01-24T08:32:00.000-08:002007-01-24T08:32:00.000-08:00Wow Steve... You sound like you are your worst cri...Wow Steve... You sound like you are your worst critic.<br />Don't take the negatives to heart, you have done far too much for Revit worldwide to take notice of a few comments.<br />I agree with Steve's comment: ".......expanding the family editing classes to the appropriated people....."<br />Certainly people should qualify through a questionnaire or test to attend an advanced presentation. Otherwise you will land up standing in front looking at a load of "Doe eyes" waiting for the car to strike.<br /><br />Hope to see your presentation this year {If I qualify...:o) }<br /><br />Mike HB<br />revit implementationRevit Implementationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11934951293468781947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9240097.post-18013324065672466242007-01-23T07:16:00.000-08:002007-01-23T07:16:00.000-08:00Sorry, I couldn't back you up this time. Hopefull...Sorry, I couldn't back you up this time. Hopefully I will be available next time. I would push the idea of expanding the family editing classes to the appropriated people and use the comments to show need. If you need help just let me know.<br />SteveSteven Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12226086562184140293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9240097.post-88835039187183826172007-01-22T13:36:00.000-08:002007-01-22T13:36:00.000-08:00Steve,
Don't beat ya self up mate! Much like you,...Steve,<br /><br />Don't beat ya self up mate! Much like you, I always want my presentation to be informative & rewarding for the audience. But much like others have already said, with that amount of users, you will always get a mixed reaction. Excitech always do feedback forms at all our presentation, some of the comments range from excellent to the dam right bizarre. Often I really do wonder whether some of the audience have fully understood what am actually trying to explain. Family creation & family editing is a black art to a new Revit user, so the range of comments you received in my view, probably relates to the skills gap. I think more focused skills classes are essential as we more forward with the adoption of Revit. I sat at the back of many of the classes & got asked whether I was a Revit user as I bashed away on my laptop!! But talking to many of these people they where impressed with Revit, wanted to move forward, but just didn’t understand the culture impact it could have on their organisation. You could see the confusion on their faces. So in summary, the Revit power track was a great idea, but for the Revit novice whocame to AU learn everything about Revit in three days, it was probably just too much. I wouldn't worry to much. As my wife says (shes a school teacher for 4 -7 year olds) you have great days & difficult days.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609028351574557112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9240097.post-9215938113726951472007-01-19T21:26:00.000-08:002007-01-19T21:26:00.000-08:00Steve, I think that the content and delivery for t...Steve, I think that the content and delivery for the class was good. It's hard to teach Family creation with an audience of 600. Regardless of the quality and delivery, it's always hard to satisfy everyone.<br /><br />Labs are difficult. I guess people expect hands-on experience at a more manageable pace. I've only been to one lab at AU (2005) and for a beginner's level that I was back then, I had a hard time keeping up and I don't know what I would have done if I managed to get in your class (the famous Door family class). It took me a day to go through that tutorial and really digest it all! Family editing is no easy task, but essential to Revit proficiency.<br /><br />I really, really like the Power Track idea for JUST Family editing. It's next to impossible to teach a Beginner/Intermediate level lab, as the Beginner might not know Jack, while the Intermediate user will get suicidal hearing about how to create Family Types and what ref. planes are.<br /><br />For the powertrack idea to be successful, I think there needs to be a good sampling of classes of all levels. Perhaps treat it like one big project that you start in one class and complete over a series of others. Of course to do something like this, you need to coordinate content between presenters....no small feat. It would be great if users could give some suggestions of WHAT they'd like to see built and what they expect to learn. Perhaps some polls on AUGI might be a good start.<br /><br />Each Advanced class would then continue to finish this "big" project started in the Intermediate Class (Beginner's classes should be for people that have never visited the family editor and should contain lots of little, simple examples of what ref planes are, how to place dims with parameters, building skeletons and locking geometry to ref planes, etc.). And perhaps as an additional bonus, they should contain some advanced techniques and examples to inspire them (similar to what you did in this year's labs), with no need to go into a lot of depth since the advanced audience "gets" the basics and is really looking for some bigger concepts.<br /><br />I didn't intend to write a novel =) You did great Steve, and it's commendable to see that you're striving (publicly) to do even better in the years to come...we have no doubt!Dave Baldacchinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00431940617680243953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9240097.post-75582057101181314202007-01-19T12:59:00.000-08:002007-01-19T12:59:00.000-08:00Steve,
I don't think anyone can fault you for try...Steve,<br /><br />I don't think anyone can fault you for trying hard, and I think you did a good job to boot. If anything I think you've hit the nail on head with your closing remarks. Your ability to provide even more satisfactory classes is being limited by AU's scope with regards to Content and the family editor. I too hope that we can have more classes that focus on a number of issues and skill levels. With systems joining the club things are only going to get more complex.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />-RRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10689574748658789222noreply@blogger.com